You cannot tank a ship against tens of destroyers, and don't need to be afk. Actually is nothing you can do if some gankers decide to suicide destroy your faction battleship.
Your idea is just that we all need to fly dirty cheap ships to not be killed in hisec by people who not risk anything in the process? Better think again because that is a silly solution.

If CCP were to make EVE 100% safe (or large parts of it 100% safe) a lot of players would leave too (me for instance). And with EVE's horrible PVE contents it's not very likely they would be able to replace those players with long lasting safe bears, most would very quickly become bored and leave the game again...

Every single one of these ganks could be avoided by following 2 easy steps.

1. Drop a can on warp-in. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

2. Spam the D-Scan. You have a directional scanner that can actually detect combat probes and 12 thrashers. And, wonder of wonders, you can set it so that it tells you when someone is at the warp-in gate to your mission.


High Security Space is a lie.

Accept it and move on.




Also - for all those wearing 'real' monocles here, Good Show!

Oh, compared to lowsec and surely nullsec, it's still pretty high in terms of security. However a lot of people seem to automatically equate "High" with "Total" or "Complete" for some resaon.



word.

A lot of the guys they ganked were AFK on gates and silly, inattentive situations like that.

Parenting: You're doing it right.

Military service should be mandatory after highschool.

At least if you want to be a citizen and be able to hold political office or vote.

I tried to teach her how to do the full gank. But she just wasn't fast enough to work all the controls before facpo would come along and kill my ganker. So can this thread turn into a "nerf facpo" thread now instead of whatever uselss crap it was before? Its for the children.

To each their own opinion, but I would urge you to try and understand how good that can be. Military service teaches people respect, discipline, work ethics, integrity, ect. It also provides valuable career training in many cases. It can also teach people the value of working as part of something bigger, seriously the list goes on.

I was a cocky little punk before my first encounter with my drill instructor.... you learn your place pretty fast.

Society as a whole... in the USA anyhow... could stand to learn a few lessons in boot camp.....

Intelligent discourse without juvenile escalation? If you're not careful you may very well ruin the Carebear Collective's impression that the dwellers of C&P are primarily basement-dwelling sociopaths who's sole existence is driven by the need to drive new players away from the game!

"Starship troopers" had the right idea.

"Service guarantees citizenship!"

Absolutely, and I can get behind either version. (I actually think the movie/book had other definitions of "service" as well, but i digress..)

What I AM against is the current belief in the USA that people are OWED something for nothing. Military service is only one route that someone can be an asset to their country... and not to be cliche`... .but JFK did say it best "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" ect....

And while im not a "pacifist", that doesnt mean im looking for the weapons-hot answer to all problems either. Everyone is always entitled to their own methods and beliefs.

Edit:

Psycho, you should run for goddamn office. Seriously.

did you know that going from -5 to 0 security status costs a ton of ISK and that security tags are in limited supply?

the problem is that you seem to believe that you should be able to fly some shiny faction battleship in hisec with zero risk: those destroyer pilots are clearly showing you the error of your ways

mission running is safe enough if you keep an eye out for probes, but abloobloobloo my playstyle

The main niche for almost all new players in EVE are the PVE and mining activities. EVE is a very hard game with a very abrupt learning curve, so as new player he cannot go to do PVP before he learn some part from very complex game mechanics, or he will be crushed and killed till he will give up and move to another game.
If you want to make them life a hell and cut to chance for a lot of players to get used with this game just for the sake of few hundreds of gankers, then go on.

I don't know if there are any statistics to justify that, but I have the same impression. I continued to mine/PVE for some time when I was a new player, but I was also joining E-Uni PvP fleets and running around trying to hero tackle war targets within a week of starting the game. My impression is that people who think they need to get all their skills trained up to a certain level before they PvP tend to never feel like they are ready and just keep on PVEing until they get bored and quit.

Also, Si1viu, you completely missed the OPs point. He isn't concerned about new players. He is upset because he thinks that new players in cheap ships should not be able to gank older players in expensive faction battleships.

I hardly think that the minutes from a CSM meeting would qualify as any type of statistical evidence. LOL CSM anyhow.

It depends on the player. I started out as a mission runner. Tried mining, but was so uber-bored by it that I couldnt even stand to make a second trip out to the belts before I was done with it. Moved onto exploration... still thinking i was playing ISK progress quest. It was maybe three months before I got into LEARNING how to pvp with different mechanics and cast away the "skill point requirement" that hedonism bot is referencing (he is spot on with that, btw).

It all depends on the player.

Yet another +1

I love the fact that you have to spend lots of time learning skills to fly a particular fit on a ship. I also like that to become effective in PVP you have to gain experience by actually fighting. If CCP were to ever make EvE as easy as some of the other MMO's out there (I can think of one in which your vehicle has tracks and armor) it would be a huge waste. Part of the resaon that I love EvE is because it's not "easy" and there is no instant gratification.

Ehh.. sorta. This is not a single player game. Most players who quit simply burn out due to boredom. Everyone I have ever met IRL who played this game quit because they didn't have fun, because running missions and/or mining wasn't fun. I myself played and quit this game twice before I decided to play despite whatever happens.

So, the idea, rather the hope is that through non-consensual PvP other players who would otherwise spend their time running missions, and/or mining solo, or in a small, probably fail highsec corp and would never learn about other mechanics.. making them better players, will see that there are other avenues to experience. This is how I was first introduced into PvP in Eve Online and it's been a great experience ever since for both losses and kills.

Now, let's assume we find someone who is a mission runner, right? He gets ganked. There will always be one of two reasons why he got ganked. One, he was afk on a gate and someone/people got bored. Or, he had an expensive ship/fittings.. or both. This is besides the point, however, the point I'm making is.. let's say he wasn't interested in joining the ranks of PvP and he didn't like that experience very much. He should, at the very least, look into why he was targeted and make the necessary adjustments to help reduce the possibility of it happening again. The people who don't do this are the idiots. But from my ganking career in this video game I can say that most people who get ganked do change for the better/learn something about Eve.